Supporters- your Brahmins, most normies & merchants, moral warriors who can be driven to fight for good causes, some meek proles, the pioneers, the innovators, the good smart boys who would be pioneers, artists, innovators, white collar workers, mostly midwits or above average, who demonstrate competence, moral goodness, intelligence, & a willingness to provide, the nerds, submissive, usually bottoms, support columns
Thugs- generally dominant men, thugs, assholes, "alphas", wolves of wall street, machos, barbarians, jocks, your dom proles, warriors who lack strong moral character, & maybe some normie or merchant assholes. The bulls. Must demonstrate being either top 20% physical attractiveness to women if they gymmaxx OR ability to thugmaxx + game to get hoes at least slightly wet in a gangbang- need to be able to develop that personality. Encouraged to breed with Vixens
Omegas- men OR women who both lack enough combo of "hot + sexy personality/game" enough to even POSSIBLY join some gangbangers or vixens successfully AND lack the competence, intelligence, innovation, or general provider ability + willingness to betabuxx but also lacks ability to be empathetic + "pleasant looking" waifu OR simply has no interest in heterosex WHATSOEVER- includes most meek proles, some failed normies/merchants, homeless & NEETs, severely disabled or mentally ill, men incapable of taking care of themselves, intersex people, but also girlbosses, homosexuals, asexuals, monks, anyone else who is willing to commit to being BANNED for LIFE from family & reproduction starting in their early 20s (NO "I just turned 33 now I wanna settle down" BS) Encouraged not to breed & join the military, become monks/eunuchs, work/careerboss, or whatever thet want that doesn't hurt others & are given respect & a role provided they do society the service of not breeding & pursue their own thing- it's not a bad thing to be Omega- almost like a lone wolf but just not the kind we want breeding, or just have your family feed you applesauce while you clap, yay
Both Supporters & Thugs are selected partially by health, & Omegas partially by lack thereof. Basically there's a cutoff calculation done when people become adults, & health is "weighted" somewhat, but NOT more than 20% unless it's a SEVERE condition like Cerebral Palsey, Down's Syndrome, Huntington's Syndrome, or the like
Mind is prioritized over body for Supporters especially- a genetic disorder giving you an IQ of 65 cripples your ability to join this class WAY more than one that makes you look like & have the physical weakness & ugliness of Stephen Hawking
Female castes are mirrored somewhat, with these two being both selected for health while Omegas are partially selected for at least EXTREME lack thereof (keep in mind minor harmful genetic conditions can more than be made up for by excellence in other areas of performance, as that is what we are selecting for)
Waifus- women who lean towards being very empathetic, caring, loving, somewhat intelligent or at least not stupid, understanding, err K-selected- they would be mostly monogamous, somewhat passive maybe, comfort their assigned Supporter partner & pump out & breastfeed as many of his babies as she can as her main responsibility in life while cuddling him every night, "moral purity" of these women is generally protected at least somewhat, they AREN'T spoiled but actually forced to go through tough experiences to make them terrified of nature. They should fear Thugs & getting raped by them constantly & genuinely enough to be willing to voluntarily be loyal to good boys- in a bit of "survival mode". Taught to appreciate what they have, to be loyal, hell even to morally judge Vixens & Thugs (especially Vixens) as those evil bitches who aren't good for you, baby, they only need to be considerate, chill, snuggle...Supporter or maids can help with housework, Waifus work hard emotionally being trained to be everyone's therapist so should be allowed to work way less hard than Supporters or even Omegas probably. Rather than the Mental Health Industrial Complex every family has a trained Waifu psychotherapist (NOT psychiatrist) who listens & cuddles (& isn't afraid to challenge you with a smirk on your worst bullshit) you until it's all better
Vixens- yesss our sexy bratty slutty bimbos. Bitchy, cunty, gangbang or voluntary gangrape hoes. Sexy R selected women, fuck Thugs all day, bully nerds like the Thugs do, rarely cover up much skin. Vixens are trained, even via reverse psychology (😏 NO! PLEASE DON'T, etc) focus obsessively on their appearance, outfits, etc. They cosplay, dress in outfits to appear sexy to men, literal attention whores. They breed Thugs & drop off babies with Supporters & his Waifu to take care of. She bullies them BOTH, making them eat Thug gangbang cum out of her while teasing them adoringly, & she is ONLY given the support she needs on CONDITION of her having bred & given up her child to a Supporter/Waifu family while having EARNED enough credits from Supporters (likely by including the Supporter in some way in the sex act). American ones would talk with mostly Valleygirl, Joisey gurl, or Dixie accents but really they'd be flamboyant & always trying to appeal to different mens' fantasies of any niche to acquire credits, turning society into an open air strip club but that ACTUALLY channels the tokens towards reproduction & a sustainable system
Supporters + Waifus raise Thugs' + Vixens' kids as well as their own. Being orderly but still horny & flexible they raise people into the least restrictive roles based on their natures/happy places. Omegas are the let's say third of women & 40% of men each generation who shouldn't breed to keep the genes of each group better specialized long term bc at first they wouldn't be.
>Supporters + Waifus raise Thugs' + Vixens' kids as well as their own
Wait, what? This is a terrible incentive and will cause these r-selected sluts and thugs to pop out infinite babies (don't have to worry about raising them) while the elite class will be lagged down by other people's kids like a real world cuckoo bird.
That's the point. It encourages infinite babies! Lots of fun sexiness! The more sexy kids the sexier! The "elite class" will have LOTS of fun.
It won't collapse society, like it would now, BECAUSE there is no pretense of "equality" between the classes. So it's not like political decisions will be made by the underclass, they'll just be bimbo & himbo sex toys for the elites to call "cute". They won't mix with the elites directly, either.
They won't be able to vote or run for office or anything like that. If they get too rowdy, they'll get put down like gorillas when they escape from the zoo.
If you're that selfish you would never consider anyone but yourself, you aren't meant for this society. In my society, the elite are encouraged to be selfless in this way, & work very very hard. Also to work smarter. Find workarounds. Innovate, & develop technologies to adapt & make it more doable.
It would create an incentive for an empathetic elite, but one who only saw these sluts as dumb sex toys & NOTHING more.
Interesting proposal, although I think there are some discrepancies between it and the traditional "tripartite social order" which I think is the greatest.
The aristocracy (the warrior-elite, which is really probably most comparable to the "pretty class" and not your "law enforcement class") serves as the patron of culture. They commission these grand projects, mostly for themselves. They don't have to be artists themselves, but they do have to have taste. The bourgeoisie is not stupid but it is tasteless and shrewd, hence our current cultural malaise. The aristocracy is also the patron of religion.
The main issue with having an aristocratic class today is that we don't really have an elite occupation for such a warrior-elite, which is why you split it into the "eugenic people" and the "conscientious grunts", but ideally we would have some sort of reason to put the former on top of the latter in battle, which legitimizes the authority of the "eugenic people". But our government is so powerful that the idea of some military elite which just owns fighter jets in their backyard and volunteers to go fight for us is just not very realistic. In the past, these guys would have owned horses and chariots and spent their whole lives becoming horse archers or something like that most likely, today the only parallel I could think of having such a skill curve is fighter pilots.
Although I think we all wish there were less cops with bad attitudes, I'm not sure if this is a necessary evil or an unnecessary one. Cops usually have to deal with very difficult people, and a conscientious cop might be at a disadvantage when criminals seek to take advantage of his good nature. Assholes know how to deal best with other assholes. Then again, the actual nature of the police in some "ideal city" is quite ambiguous, I'm not sure how necessary their aggression would be if our country was serious about diminishing successful criminal attacks.
The mercantile class is not really "middle management" so much as it is the bourgeoisie. In India today it is their Vaishyas and Baniyas who dominate the corporate elite. Historically many great artists and industrialists also came from this class, because such people tend to be living off of commerce in urban settings.
The Brahmin type class mainly serves as philosophers and theologians, yes, but also as judges (ex: Druids), and generators of religious culture like bardic poetry and hymns. They are something of a wordcelly group, now that I think of it, but obviously you want some people with a mathematically oriented brain in here too. It sort of depends on the religious system of your society. I would be careful in asking for "spirituality", many people feel "spiritual" but only because they are foolish hippies or blind fanatics. But you obviously don't want a bunch of pretenders.
Main issues with this is that it relies heavily on personality, and personality tests are very gameable. Maybe a good idea would be to get everyone to play a certain game, and secretly analyze their behavior in-game without revealing that the game was always a secret test for personality. Historical castes arose organically, as nations within nations, and selected for certain good traits over several generations. In some sense, they were playing a game of their own -- the game of real life.
Prole Doms are an important part of any society unlike meek proles. If you're fighting a war with mass-conscription or building a railroad they are essential. Meek proles again are useless.
I wouldn't describe the 19th century Chinese immigrants who built the US's initial railroad system as "prole doms". If anything they were more like "meek proles" or perhaps "normies" who just worked really hard bc they were Confucian.
They were hardcore and risk-taking dudes who travelled across the world to unknown lands to make money and to escape war. They were also obedient and hardworking as well - perhaps a lost type. Calling them "meek Proles" seems imprecise.
"Meek" does not necessarily imply "weak", I don't think. More just "quiet"- those who keep their head down, "keep their nose to the grindstone", don't make "a fuss", etc.
They were strong, determined, & gritty. But that type could be "meek".
Risk-taking is true, but is sperging out & doing a mass shooting not a risk?
Idk, I don't mean to compare their work ethic to today's, like, effeminate feminist bisexual, yet poor, American "bois" or something, but "dom proles" are like, barbaric, thuggish, or at least rowdy, which these types...relative to most certainly were not.
Blondes are the most desirable women, desired by all groups. They are the most beautiful women on a purely visceral level. So, this is the real world and he's simply acknowledging a fact of life.
That's true for maybe a slim majority on humans on Earth, but how about the nonwhites who desire their own race? What about guys who prefer gingers or light skinned brunettes?
I myself prefer brown & auburn haired white women in particular, with dirty blondes & gingers being close seconds.
"True" blondes are maybe my fifth favorite?
So I don't desire blond women the most, nor do more than three fifths of human men. Even if most do.
I would say a class determined by which women men find the most attractive would be hugely disproportionately blond but it still would likely not even be majority blond.
Blonde not blond. Blonde is feminine, blond masculine.
Not saying other non-blonde women aren’t beautiful, like a raven-haired alabaster skin woman, but WOMEN THEMSELVES understand the desire for blondes by coloring their hair blonde. Even black women do this.
Honestly, I think it's ridiculous that some women dye their hair blonde and most of the time it doesn't look good. You either have it or you don't. My prefer hair are brunettes, dirty blondes, and redheads.
Uh, OK here are my 5 Castes::
Male castes:
Supporters- your Brahmins, most normies & merchants, moral warriors who can be driven to fight for good causes, some meek proles, the pioneers, the innovators, the good smart boys who would be pioneers, artists, innovators, white collar workers, mostly midwits or above average, who demonstrate competence, moral goodness, intelligence, & a willingness to provide, the nerds, submissive, usually bottoms, support columns
Thugs- generally dominant men, thugs, assholes, "alphas", wolves of wall street, machos, barbarians, jocks, your dom proles, warriors who lack strong moral character, & maybe some normie or merchant assholes. The bulls. Must demonstrate being either top 20% physical attractiveness to women if they gymmaxx OR ability to thugmaxx + game to get hoes at least slightly wet in a gangbang- need to be able to develop that personality. Encouraged to breed with Vixens
Omegas- men OR women who both lack enough combo of "hot + sexy personality/game" enough to even POSSIBLY join some gangbangers or vixens successfully AND lack the competence, intelligence, innovation, or general provider ability + willingness to betabuxx but also lacks ability to be empathetic + "pleasant looking" waifu OR simply has no interest in heterosex WHATSOEVER- includes most meek proles, some failed normies/merchants, homeless & NEETs, severely disabled or mentally ill, men incapable of taking care of themselves, intersex people, but also girlbosses, homosexuals, asexuals, monks, anyone else who is willing to commit to being BANNED for LIFE from family & reproduction starting in their early 20s (NO "I just turned 33 now I wanna settle down" BS) Encouraged not to breed & join the military, become monks/eunuchs, work/careerboss, or whatever thet want that doesn't hurt others & are given respect & a role provided they do society the service of not breeding & pursue their own thing- it's not a bad thing to be Omega- almost like a lone wolf but just not the kind we want breeding, or just have your family feed you applesauce while you clap, yay
Both Supporters & Thugs are selected partially by health, & Omegas partially by lack thereof. Basically there's a cutoff calculation done when people become adults, & health is "weighted" somewhat, but NOT more than 20% unless it's a SEVERE condition like Cerebral Palsey, Down's Syndrome, Huntington's Syndrome, or the like
Mind is prioritized over body for Supporters especially- a genetic disorder giving you an IQ of 65 cripples your ability to join this class WAY more than one that makes you look like & have the physical weakness & ugliness of Stephen Hawking
Female castes are mirrored somewhat, with these two being both selected for health while Omegas are partially selected for at least EXTREME lack thereof (keep in mind minor harmful genetic conditions can more than be made up for by excellence in other areas of performance, as that is what we are selecting for)
Waifus- women who lean towards being very empathetic, caring, loving, somewhat intelligent or at least not stupid, understanding, err K-selected- they would be mostly monogamous, somewhat passive maybe, comfort their assigned Supporter partner & pump out & breastfeed as many of his babies as she can as her main responsibility in life while cuddling him every night, "moral purity" of these women is generally protected at least somewhat, they AREN'T spoiled but actually forced to go through tough experiences to make them terrified of nature. They should fear Thugs & getting raped by them constantly & genuinely enough to be willing to voluntarily be loyal to good boys- in a bit of "survival mode". Taught to appreciate what they have, to be loyal, hell even to morally judge Vixens & Thugs (especially Vixens) as those evil bitches who aren't good for you, baby, they only need to be considerate, chill, snuggle...Supporter or maids can help with housework, Waifus work hard emotionally being trained to be everyone's therapist so should be allowed to work way less hard than Supporters or even Omegas probably. Rather than the Mental Health Industrial Complex every family has a trained Waifu psychotherapist (NOT psychiatrist) who listens & cuddles (& isn't afraid to challenge you with a smirk on your worst bullshit) you until it's all better
Vixens- yesss our sexy bratty slutty bimbos. Bitchy, cunty, gangbang or voluntary gangrape hoes. Sexy R selected women, fuck Thugs all day, bully nerds like the Thugs do, rarely cover up much skin. Vixens are trained, even via reverse psychology (😏 NO! PLEASE DON'T, etc) focus obsessively on their appearance, outfits, etc. They cosplay, dress in outfits to appear sexy to men, literal attention whores. They breed Thugs & drop off babies with Supporters & his Waifu to take care of. She bullies them BOTH, making them eat Thug gangbang cum out of her while teasing them adoringly, & she is ONLY given the support she needs on CONDITION of her having bred & given up her child to a Supporter/Waifu family while having EARNED enough credits from Supporters (likely by including the Supporter in some way in the sex act). American ones would talk with mostly Valleygirl, Joisey gurl, or Dixie accents but really they'd be flamboyant & always trying to appeal to different mens' fantasies of any niche to acquire credits, turning society into an open air strip club but that ACTUALLY channels the tokens towards reproduction & a sustainable system
Supporters + Waifus raise Thugs' + Vixens' kids as well as their own. Being orderly but still horny & flexible they raise people into the least restrictive roles based on their natures/happy places. Omegas are the let's say third of women & 40% of men each generation who shouldn't breed to keep the genes of each group better specialized long term bc at first they wouldn't be.
I'm looking forward to your YA novel
>Supporters + Waifus raise Thugs' + Vixens' kids as well as their own
Wait, what? This is a terrible incentive and will cause these r-selected sluts and thugs to pop out infinite babies (don't have to worry about raising them) while the elite class will be lagged down by other people's kids like a real world cuckoo bird.
That's the point. It encourages infinite babies! Lots of fun sexiness! The more sexy kids the sexier! The "elite class" will have LOTS of fun.
It won't collapse society, like it would now, BECAUSE there is no pretense of "equality" between the classes. So it's not like political decisions will be made by the underclass, they'll just be bimbo & himbo sex toys for the elites to call "cute". They won't mix with the elites directly, either.
They won't be able to vote or run for office or anything like that. If they get too rowdy, they'll get put down like gorillas when they escape from the zoo.
If you're that selfish you would never consider anyone but yourself, you aren't meant for this society. In my society, the elite are encouraged to be selfless in this way, & work very very hard. Also to work smarter. Find workarounds. Innovate, & develop technologies to adapt & make it more doable.
It would create an incentive for an empathetic elite, but one who only saw these sluts as dumb sex toys & NOTHING more.
T'would be great fun indeed!
Interesting proposal, although I think there are some discrepancies between it and the traditional "tripartite social order" which I think is the greatest.
The aristocracy (the warrior-elite, which is really probably most comparable to the "pretty class" and not your "law enforcement class") serves as the patron of culture. They commission these grand projects, mostly for themselves. They don't have to be artists themselves, but they do have to have taste. The bourgeoisie is not stupid but it is tasteless and shrewd, hence our current cultural malaise. The aristocracy is also the patron of religion.
The main issue with having an aristocratic class today is that we don't really have an elite occupation for such a warrior-elite, which is why you split it into the "eugenic people" and the "conscientious grunts", but ideally we would have some sort of reason to put the former on top of the latter in battle, which legitimizes the authority of the "eugenic people". But our government is so powerful that the idea of some military elite which just owns fighter jets in their backyard and volunteers to go fight for us is just not very realistic. In the past, these guys would have owned horses and chariots and spent their whole lives becoming horse archers or something like that most likely, today the only parallel I could think of having such a skill curve is fighter pilots.
Although I think we all wish there were less cops with bad attitudes, I'm not sure if this is a necessary evil or an unnecessary one. Cops usually have to deal with very difficult people, and a conscientious cop might be at a disadvantage when criminals seek to take advantage of his good nature. Assholes know how to deal best with other assholes. Then again, the actual nature of the police in some "ideal city" is quite ambiguous, I'm not sure how necessary their aggression would be if our country was serious about diminishing successful criminal attacks.
The mercantile class is not really "middle management" so much as it is the bourgeoisie. In India today it is their Vaishyas and Baniyas who dominate the corporate elite. Historically many great artists and industrialists also came from this class, because such people tend to be living off of commerce in urban settings.
The Brahmin type class mainly serves as philosophers and theologians, yes, but also as judges (ex: Druids), and generators of religious culture like bardic poetry and hymns. They are something of a wordcelly group, now that I think of it, but obviously you want some people with a mathematically oriented brain in here too. It sort of depends on the religious system of your society. I would be careful in asking for "spirituality", many people feel "spiritual" but only because they are foolish hippies or blind fanatics. But you obviously don't want a bunch of pretenders.
Main issues with this is that it relies heavily on personality, and personality tests are very gameable. Maybe a good idea would be to get everyone to play a certain game, and secretly analyze their behavior in-game without revealing that the game was always a secret test for personality. Historical castes arose organically, as nations within nations, and selected for certain good traits over several generations. In some sense, they were playing a game of their own -- the game of real life.
I propose we have "BJK police" to stop BJKs from abusing power so society upholds this caste system.
what a bipoc
It takes an Edgelord to recognize an Edgelord.
https://kaiserbasileus.substack.com/p/the-mandate-of-libertarian-fascist
Prole Doms are an important part of any society unlike meek proles. If you're fighting a war with mass-conscription or building a railroad they are essential. Meek proles again are useless.
I wouldn't describe the 19th century Chinese immigrants who built the US's initial railroad system as "prole doms". If anything they were more like "meek proles" or perhaps "normies" who just worked really hard bc they were Confucian.
They were hardcore and risk-taking dudes who travelled across the world to unknown lands to make money and to escape war. They were also obedient and hardworking as well - perhaps a lost type. Calling them "meek Proles" seems imprecise.
Jesus said "blessed be the meek"
"Meek" does not necessarily imply "weak", I don't think. More just "quiet"- those who keep their head down, "keep their nose to the grindstone", don't make "a fuss", etc.
They were strong, determined, & gritty. But that type could be "meek".
Risk-taking is true, but is sperging out & doing a mass shooting not a risk?
Idk, I don't mean to compare their work ethic to today's, like, effeminate feminist bisexual, yet poor, American "bois" or something, but "dom proles" are like, barbaric, thuggish, or at least rowdy, which these types...relative to most certainly were not.
Why are you so obsessed with attractive blond people breeding, Stark? Did you turn into BAP? Why isn't caste #1's genes by far the most important?
Blondes are the most desirable women, desired by all groups. They are the most beautiful women on a purely visceral level. So, this is the real world and he's simply acknowledging a fact of life.
That's true for maybe a slim majority on humans on Earth, but how about the nonwhites who desire their own race? What about guys who prefer gingers or light skinned brunettes?
I myself prefer brown & auburn haired white women in particular, with dirty blondes & gingers being close seconds.
"True" blondes are maybe my fifth favorite?
So I don't desire blond women the most, nor do more than three fifths of human men. Even if most do.
I would say a class determined by which women men find the most attractive would be hugely disproportionately blond but it still would likely not even be majority blond.
Blonde not blond. Blonde is feminine, blond masculine.
Not saying other non-blonde women aren’t beautiful, like a raven-haired alabaster skin woman, but WOMEN THEMSELVES understand the desire for blondes by coloring their hair blonde. Even black women do this.
Honestly, I think it's ridiculous that some women dye their hair blonde and most of the time it doesn't look good. You either have it or you don't. My prefer hair are brunettes, dirty blondes, and redheads.
That doesn't address what I said. I'm not saying most men don't desire blondes, I'm saying a nontrivial number don't.
You clearly prefer blondes. Good for you.
The majority of women don't color their hair blonde. Again.