"...denying them all due process, such as sending them to a foreign prison without trial, is atrocious and authoritarian..."
Yeah, sorry, but no. Maybe El Salvador isn't the right destination, but if millions of people can enter a country without due process they need to be kicked out without due process. The border's just going to be a one-way valve for illegals otherwise.
I agree Trump's handling of tariffs was pretty hamfisted, but it is broadly true that all of the short-terms fixes for America's economic problems (AI and offshoring/immigration) are worsening long-term social cohesion and/or strategic security. Employers reliant on illegal migrant labour should be fined for law-breaking and then imprisoned if they persist.
There's an underpinning of America and yes it is half-ethnic European in nature, but it is the administration and civic religious devotion to the constitution which was forged under the duress and excesses of the British monarchy. People often forget how much the Virginia Congress pleaded with the British to have representation in these matters and as the French-Indian War and Britains conflict with France increased, so did the misery of the colonists more or less. Soon in North America, excesses such as punitive detentions, as well as the Intolerable Acts where British officers would face trials in Britain and not in America regardless of the country of the crime is what culminated in the due process clause. Due process and habeas corpus is the basis of everything in the Western legal system, it is almost foundational to the founding of America and is foundational to any of the things that conservatives complain about (free speech, freedom of expression) because if someone can be condemned out of court on the basis of hearsay, there need'nt be any laws really at all. Due process is not the actual act of "coming in" or doing a crime, due process is the act of having a process of determining if a crime committed by every court in a process which is due to them. Abuse of process aside, the act of a crime obviously evades due process - they are criminals. But that has to be measured against their contribution to America, the age at which they came or if they even came out of their own will. Even then, if there was some sort of enduring excess abuse in their home country as per asylum laws, they are allowed to settle in America as long as they stay current with documentation. Has it been abused? Who can tell. The major importer of illegal immigration has always been Tyson, meat factories etc. Karl Marx was amongst the first to outline how the import of Irish workers in England diluted the wages of the English proletariat and again reiterated it in his letter about the civil war being in essence a war which was stoked by the waves of immigration to the North during the early industrial age. Employers who rely on migrant labor cannot both pay a fine and destroy their business model as America is a labor aristocracy and what is needed to produce the goods we have in house does not mesh with the general labor diktat we have in the country unless we go back to pre-Sinclair conditions.
> " Due process and habeas corpus is the basis of everything in the Western legal system, it is almost foundational to the founding of America and is foundational to any of the things that conservatives complain about"
No. The genetic and cultural stock of the European diaspora were foundational to America. A particular conception of universal due process is only one facet of that culture, and the culture in toto is not necessarily more important than the genetics.
> "Even then, if there was some sort of enduring excess abuse in their home country as per asylum laws, they are allowed to settle in America as long as they stay current with documentation. Has it been abused? Who can tell."
Who can tell, indeed? So... the default answer unless we can positively verify someone has the right to stay has to be... "no. Get out".
"...denying them all due process, such as sending them to a foreign prison without trial, is atrocious and authoritarian..."
Yeah, sorry, but no. Maybe El Salvador isn't the right destination, but if millions of people can enter a country without due process they need to be kicked out without due process. The border's just going to be a one-way valve for illegals otherwise.
I agree Trump's handling of tariffs was pretty hamfisted, but it is broadly true that all of the short-terms fixes for America's economic problems (AI and offshoring/immigration) are worsening long-term social cohesion and/or strategic security. Employers reliant on illegal migrant labour should be fined for law-breaking and then imprisoned if they persist.
There's an underpinning of America and yes it is half-ethnic European in nature, but it is the administration and civic religious devotion to the constitution which was forged under the duress and excesses of the British monarchy. People often forget how much the Virginia Congress pleaded with the British to have representation in these matters and as the French-Indian War and Britains conflict with France increased, so did the misery of the colonists more or less. Soon in North America, excesses such as punitive detentions, as well as the Intolerable Acts where British officers would face trials in Britain and not in America regardless of the country of the crime is what culminated in the due process clause. Due process and habeas corpus is the basis of everything in the Western legal system, it is almost foundational to the founding of America and is foundational to any of the things that conservatives complain about (free speech, freedom of expression) because if someone can be condemned out of court on the basis of hearsay, there need'nt be any laws really at all. Due process is not the actual act of "coming in" or doing a crime, due process is the act of having a process of determining if a crime committed by every court in a process which is due to them. Abuse of process aside, the act of a crime obviously evades due process - they are criminals. But that has to be measured against their contribution to America, the age at which they came or if they even came out of their own will. Even then, if there was some sort of enduring excess abuse in their home country as per asylum laws, they are allowed to settle in America as long as they stay current with documentation. Has it been abused? Who can tell. The major importer of illegal immigration has always been Tyson, meat factories etc. Karl Marx was amongst the first to outline how the import of Irish workers in England diluted the wages of the English proletariat and again reiterated it in his letter about the civil war being in essence a war which was stoked by the waves of immigration to the North during the early industrial age. Employers who rely on migrant labor cannot both pay a fine and destroy their business model as America is a labor aristocracy and what is needed to produce the goods we have in house does not mesh with the general labor diktat we have in the country unless we go back to pre-Sinclair conditions.
> " Due process and habeas corpus is the basis of everything in the Western legal system, it is almost foundational to the founding of America and is foundational to any of the things that conservatives complain about"
No. The genetic and cultural stock of the European diaspora were foundational to America. A particular conception of universal due process is only one facet of that culture, and the culture in toto is not necessarily more important than the genetics.
> "Even then, if there was some sort of enduring excess abuse in their home country as per asylum laws, they are allowed to settle in America as long as they stay current with documentation. Has it been abused? Who can tell."
Who can tell, indeed? So... the default answer unless we can positively verify someone has the right to stay has to be... "no. Get out".