Source: @imleslahdin Twitter
Whether one supports the Israelis or Palestinians or Russia or Ukraine is a tribal political marker. Generally pro-Israel and pro-Ukraine is the establishment position, including neoliberals and neocons, pro-Palestine and pro-Ukraine are normie progressives/woke libs, pro-Palestine and pro-Russia are Third Wordlists, such as Tankies as well as Third Positionists, and pro-Israel and pro-Russia are primarily MAGA, or perhaps Russian Israelis.
Source: @TradNorm
The pro-Palestinian side includes anti-globalists and anti-imperialists but also normie woke liberals, such as Al Jazeera, AOC and MSNBC’s Mehdi Hasan. Obviously Black Lives Matter and Antifa types supports the Palestinians. The Russia/Ukraine issue is what divides the two camps. There are woke Zionists as well, like the ADL, which has become an Alt-Right meme. The split between the centrist liberal totalitarian humanists and left-wing anti-imperialists/Third Worldists over Gaza might have significant political ramifications.
Source: @KirkegaardEmil Twitter
A lot of the Alt-Lite wing of MAGA are pro-Israel while sympathetic to Putin, as well as to Assad in the Syrian civil war. However, plenty of MAGA have fairly normie Republican views. Basically very pro-Israel while tepidly pro-Ukraine. Independent populist former congresswoman, Tulsi Gabbard, has gotten flak from the Left for her pro-Israel stance, while also getting accused of defending Russia and Syria’s Assad regime by both Neocons and the mainstream Left. Tulsi Gabbard is a non-interventionist, but also views both the secular nationalist, Baathist regime in Syria and Netanyahu’s Israel, as battling Islamic extremism, which is a consistent stance.
Source: @OregonBlueDog Twitter
A lot of the dissident right are broadly neutral while a lot of the pro-Palestinian White Nationalist types have drifted in a more Third Wordlist direction. I have noticed that European identitarians tend to be neutral, as Ukraine and Russia are both European, while they view both Israel and Palestine as non-European, a stance that I can respect. However, Israel is at least partially Western, and Israel being more Western and White is a factor for the mainstream Right’s support for Israel. To Leftists, Palestinians represent people of color while Israelis represent White Supremacy, settler colonialism and Western Imperialism.
MAGA does not necessarily worship Putin, but for the purpose of this article, I have to oversimplify and stereotype. Republicans generally favor Israel over Ukraine, with a lot of MAGA Republicans, who support Israel but want to throw Ukraine under the bus. A CBS News Poll shows that 43% of conservatives support sending military aid to Ukraine while 67% support sending aid to Israel. For liberals, it is the inverse, with 74% for Ukraine and 49% for Israel. In contrast with the Alt-Right, which is Eurocentric, mainstream conservatives, including much of MAGA, care more about the Biblical significance of the Holyland than their European heritage.
The pro-Israel side ranges from center-left Jews in the Democratic Party to MAGA and rightwing Evangelical Christians. Generally support for Israel comes from Republicans, and Boomer White Democrats, with younger people and people of color being more pro-Palestinian. Stances on these conflicts don’t match political polarization, along the left-right divide. For instance, Trump and the ADL are on the same side for Israel while Nick Fuentes/Groypers and Black Lives Matter and Antifa are on the same side against Israel. Since being pro Palestine and being pro-Israel are left and right-coded, this conflict is ironically pushing many cosmopolitan liberal Jews into doing something right-coded. On the political spectrum, pro-Russia and pro-Palestine are at the far ends, though Russia support leans right and Palestine support leans left. Support for Ukraine is peak center-left while support for Israel is peak center-right.
Source: @SaltedNectar Twitter
There is also a political compass for responses to both antisemitism and anti-Whiteness, with pro-White and philosemitic being MAGA, and pro-White and anti-Semitic being much of the dissident right, especially Groyper types. Pro-Jewish and anti-White would be the ADL, and anti-White and anti-Semitic would be the hard Left, though they tend to dislike Jews for their Whiteness. Being for both Israel and Ukraine is the establishmentarian position but ironically also entails implicit Whiteness, perhaps Western Chauvinism.
Source: @dinosmash_69 Twitter
The main argument in favor of the Palestinian side is that Israel is engaging in collective punishment against Gazan civilians rather than just targeting Hamas officials with precision strikes, thus violating international law. There is also a strong case that Israel wants to ethnically cleanse Gaza, as Israel is now pressuring Western nations to take in Gazan refugees. Plus Netanyahu’s initial backing of Hamas to sabotage any potential for a Two State solution. Not to mention the America First argument that Netanyahu is trying to drag America into a broader conflict with Iran.
The arguments in Israel’s favor, include the sheer scope and horror of the Hamas terror attack, that a large portion of Palestinians back Hamas, and Gaza’s population density and Hamas using civilians as human shields contributing to the high number of casualties. Not to mention Israel’s close proximity to its adversaries, and being rational for not wanting to see the creation of a hostile neighbor state or to grant hostile Palestinians equal rights within Israel. Both sides have blood on their hands and engage in victimhood identity politics. Also both sides use moral blackmail. For instance, if you don’t support our side you’re either an anti-Semite or you’re complacent in Israel’s genocide of Gaza.
Source: @Panindependent Twitter
The Liberal Democracy argument is used for both Ukraine and Israel, even though neither are fully democratic. Self-determination arguments are difficult when both sides claim the same territory and there are ethnically mixed zones. Pro-Palestine and pro Ukraine are the kneejerk, underdog position, as they are weaker. In contrast, pro-Russia and pro-Israel are the Social Darwinist position, as they are both much more powerful. However, one could make the case that Russia is taking on America, the global superpower, with pro-Palestine and pro-Russia being the most opposed to US foreign policy. Regardless, being for Russia and Palestine is a kind of kneejerk anti-establishment position.
Source: @CrazyNormie Twitter
Because Israel is more powerful, the US funding Israel is helping Israel at the expense of the Palestinians. However, since Ukraine is weaker than Russia, there is some debate about whether militarily backing Ukraine has actually made things worse for Ukraine and gotten more Ukrainians killed. Sure Russia is the aggressor, but if there were a peace treaty, which the West sabotaged, many more Ukrainians would still be alive. While the US and NATO have exploited the situation and the war has benefited American Imperialist control over Europe, there is a case that Europeans should have taken on a greater role in Ukraine. Regardless, I am somewhat more sympathetic towards Ukrainians than I am to either Israelis or Palestinians.
I've noticed that my fans/followers are generally divided on Israel vs. Palestine and Russia vs. Ukraine, though I am surprised by how popular the pro-Russia and pro-Israel stance is amongst my Twitter followers. However, my followers are generally more pro-White when it comes to US and Western European domestic issues. Because of this, I might piss off some followers when talking about these foreign conflicts, unlike on US domestic racial issues. I won’t hate on someone for being pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian, and same with Russia or Ukraine, but F-you if you try to morally blackmail me.
Americans feel pressured to support which nation their political tribe does, as all politics are tribal. However, Americans have assimilated the Israel-Palestine and Ukraine-Russia conflicts into domestic tribal politics. While tribalism is a deep human instinct, some people just end up attaching themselves to the tribalism of another people, and enjoy those tribal passions by living vicariously through them. Thus if one side is victorious, it impowers a particular political tribe domestically. For instance, support Russia and get global Third-Worldism. Support Ukraine and empower the Shitlib establishment, GAE (Globalist American Empire), and the military industrial complex. Support Israel and empower Neoconservative warmongering and the ADL censoring in the name of fighting antisemitism. Support Palestine and get more Third-Worldism, plus empower woke anti-Whiteness, the Muslim diaspora in Europe, and the Leftist-Islamist alliance.
Source: @FistedFoucault Twitter
If you’re an Israeli or Russian of military age or anyone in Ukraine or Gaza, you don’t have the luxury of LARPing and must decide your role in these conflicts or someone is going to decide for you. However, if you’re a private citizen in the West with zero political power, you are not morally obligated to shill for one side or the other, and are sane for staying neutral.
People should be cautious about getting overly invested in conflicts that they have zero connection to. Obviously if one is Jewish or Arab or Russian or Ukrainian, they are rational for having a strong stance or bias. While all sides are rational for taking their ethnic group’s or nationality’s side, I am annoyed by the moralization of ethnic conflicts. It is important to have some balanced duality between tribalism and practical humanitarianism, over hyper-moralism and political symbolism.
- I am annoyed by the moralization of ethnic conflicts.
The war in the Ukraine is more than an ethnic conflict though. Both Russia and US/Europe are rearming, so the conflict will probably enlarge, as neither side will accept a local defeat in Ukraine as a long term status quo. Can bring GAE down potentially. This is the accelerationist option the dissident right has been waffling about for at least 10 years by now, becoming a viable reality.
Sure, third worldism is heavily present in Russia propaganda. But could an entente between Russia and China really exist, one may wonder looking down at history and at geography. I doubt it, so I strongly hope "Global South" and "BRICS" ramblings is all just tactical diplomacy on Russia's part. After all, you take in all allies you can when you need them.
The serious issues IMHO are not about who is right or wrong but who augments our present and future safety and welfare.
The Russians and Chinese seek to remake the global economy to their advantage. Some in the US stand to benefit from this, others do not. Similarly the Israelis, Iranians, Saudis, Emiratis, Turks and Egyptians seek to secure their various interests in an era of declining US capacity and rising Russian and Chinese power.
So far the political alignments appear downstream from expressive concerns over ideology and the legacy of old divisions. I'd like to see much more effort all round to tease out precisely how people expect to benefit.
Victory for Ukraine would clearly augment the position of the Deep State in a straight-forward way. This is not going to happen, but the fall-out from the imminent Russian victory is going to be tricky.
Victory for Israel would be even more complex. Portions of the Deep State are very comfortable with Israel's enemies and key institutions in the West receive support from Qatar (especially some of the elite colleges). The alignment of pro-Palestinian right-wingers with the Global South reproduces the enthusiasm for Arab nationalism that was once associated with the oil industry and the intelligence community. Those US oligarchs seeking allies/partners in the Global South benefit from this alignment.
Ultimately, what is critical is how the various oligarchic interests in the West mobilise support amongst the shrinking middle classes.